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 Post subject: Re: Do you object to what we do on this board?
PostPosted: 18 Feb 2010, 21:52 
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That's hilarious. Implying that those of us who are working in paid jobs, do not work hard...

The previous job (to my current one) I was working on, I did the silly thing of working out my hourly rate. Over 6 months, owing to the hours I was working, it fluctuated between £6 and £10 an hour... I've worked in production for 13 years, the last 5 as a Production Manager - hardly a rate suitable for anyone with that kind of experience...

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 Post subject: Re: Do you object to what we do on this board?
PostPosted: 18 May 2010, 10:21 
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Jane_that_works wrote:
Why then, do you target companies advertising work experience placements?


An important reason, beyond the illegality of most WE placements, is that they tend to be exploitative in as much as the company in question has low-skilled work they need done, so they get an unpaid worker in and call it a WE placement - they may see the benefit if offers the successful candidate, but they're not acting out of philanthropy, the motivating factor is the work they need doing that they don't want to pay for.

These placements are also a huge barrier to social inclusion and mobility if they represent the major entry point into the industry.

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If I had not been given the opportunity to gain invaluable experience on a practical set on more than one occasion, then I would not be in the paid industry job that I am in today.


Not many people here would criticise someone taking work-experience as a route into the industry. However, the placements involve real work that the company needs doing. Other industries pay their low-skilled and inexperienced workers - the media should as well.

You could have had that experience and been paid for it. If all companies played by the rules, we'd have to take on and nurture unskilled workers - just like other industries do.

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More often than not, most graduates are grateful for the opportunity to gain work experience and I commend anyone who has the gumption to work their way into the industry (instead of waiting for someone to knock on their door).


That's all very well if you have the independent means to survive while you knock on doors and take time out to do unpaid work - but that's not very fair on people who don't, and who can't afford to relocate to London, Manchester, Glasgow, or Bristol, and live on nothing while they work unpaid.

A more nurturing entry level that pays would almost certainly see the system become more meritocratic - after all, companies would want to know that they were investing in the right candidate, not just the candidate who can afford it, or the one whose Dad is mates with the MD.

Jane_that_works wrote:
I think that these TV Watercooler members who harrass independent companies should try doing a work experience placement for free to feel the satisfaction from working hard for a change.


Or maybe they know just how real and how hard that work is, and think that people should be paid for their efforts.


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 Post subject: Re: Do you object to what we do on this board?
PostPosted: 19 May 2010, 09:25 
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Aside from naming and shaming, which is a highly effective way of bringing companies in line with the law, you now have the option to report offenders directly to the taxman (HMRC) if they are not meeting their NMW obligations.

You can even do so anonymously.

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If you wish to make a complaint about an employer that is not paying the minimum wage, and you do not work for, or have not previously worked for, that employer, please complete an online complaint form.

Completion of personal details on this form is not compulsory. You should also be aware that, for Data Protection purposes, we will not be able to tell you anything about any investigation that we may choose to conduct into the employer.


http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/nmw/complaint.htm#b

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PostPosted: 19 May 2010, 09:35 
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Thanks Annie. Even better is the fact that BECTU is in the final stages of setting up an HMRC "hotline" where breaches submitted through a reserved online reporting form will be given special attention by the NMW enforcement team and will report back anonymised data to the union.

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PostPosted: 19 May 2010, 09:50 
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That's great news. That may well put an end to masses of unpaid work posted on 'job' sites.

Might make the watercooler Sweat list redundant though...

Where did you see this news about BECTU? Post a link.

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PostPosted: 19 May 2010, 10:23 
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AnnieActor wrote:
That's great news. That may well put an end to masses of unpaid work posted on 'job' sites.

Might make the watercooler Sweat list redundant though...


I wish!

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Where did you see this news about BECTU? Post a link.

Annie :whistle:


It's in the latest edition of the journal - I'll see if I can find the reference.

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 Post subject: Re: Do you object to what we do on this board?
PostPosted: 19 May 2010, 10:25 
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Thanks, I'd really like to blog about that!

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Do you wish you could blow the whistle on companies who are failing to pay at least the National Minimum Wage? BECTU has now agreed a special arrangement with Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs, the enforcement agency for the NMW, to make this happen.

The new arrangement was arrived at after BECTU and its allies in the Federation of Entertainment Unions convinced HMRC that the media and entertainment industries are a priority problem area. BECTU has been working more closely with HMRC as they are partners in the union’s “Creative Toolkit” UMF project, which is aimed primarily at vulnerable young workers in our industries.

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In return for BECTU making this special effort to send HMRC details of alleged breaches of the national minimum wage regulations, the enforcement agency will collect aggregated statistics on media/entertainment complaints, penalties, and other outcomes and share this information with BECTU.


As far as I know the details are yet to be finalised, but my understanding is that there will be a special code used to identify these reports of alleged breaches. If you're an Equity member you could check to see whether they have anything similar in the pipeline.

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 Post subject: Re: Do you object to what we do on this board?
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As I mentioned in the post above, this scheme is still being finalised - I'm sure recent events (ie election!) have slowed things up. As soon as I have any concrete details on how to go about reporting sector specific breaches I'll post it up here.

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 Post subject: Re: Do you object to what we do on this board?
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Just found this board. Seems very interesting but have you actually achieved anything or is it all talk?

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